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Three Many Dating Truisms

1. No woman, in the history of courtship, has ever uttered the phrase "he's a really great guy" and not followed it with the word "but."

2. Getting involved with a girl who has stuffed animals in the back window of her car is rarely a good idea.

3. Unless otherwise specified, the correct time to microwave something is three minutes.

Update: Some readers are asserting that the final one is not, technically speaking, a "dating" truism. And, okay: I'll grudgingly cede the point.

In its place, though, here are some other dating truisms from the comments:

  • Alkelda: It's a terrible lapse in judgement to kiss a guy who thinks making Donald Duck sound effects is cool.
  • theinsider: If a guy introduces you to a girl and says, "We were just good friends," they weren't. Watch out, they probably still aren't.
  • Joy: Never date anyone who's 'getting his band together.'
  • Stephanie: Never date outside of your political party in an election year.
  • Erin: Don't ever be the "other people" in "We're seeing other people."

Posted on August 09, 2005 to Observations





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Posted by: Matthew on August 13, 2005 8:35 AM

1) It's a terrible lapse in judgement to kiss a guy who thinks making Donald Duck sound effects is cool.

2) If you ask a guy to tell you a story, and instead of protesting that he doesn't know any stories, actually tells you a story... you'll probably end up marrying him 3 years down the road.

Posted by: Alkelda on August 13, 2005 8:46 AM

1) Getting involved with a guy who mentions his mom more than once on the first date is a very bad idea

2) If a guy introduces you to someone and says, "We were just good friends," they weren't. Watch out, they probably still aren't.

Posted by: theinsider on August 13, 2005 9:06 AM

Having a girlfriend who keeps reminding you her name really means Princess is a good sign that you need a new girlfriend.

Posted by: patrick on August 13, 2005 9:18 AM

If after the first date, you say to yourself, "Gee, he's kinda geeky," be honest with yourself on your own geek quotient.

We're getting married in about 7 weeks. :)

Posted by: Eh... not so much on August 13, 2005 9:27 AM

Don't get involved with a guy who is still living with his parents at age 30 unless a) he is helping to run the family farm, or b) his parents are ailing and he is the primary caretaker. A possible c) is if he has been laid off and has had to move back for financial reasons, but in that case he should be chomping at the bit to leave; cut him some slack but don't let him move in with you until he's gone out on his own again for at least a year.

I would imagine the same thing can be said about girls.

Oh yeah, and don't talk about marriage until you've exchanged credit reports.

Posted by: C. on August 13, 2005 9:44 AM

1) If the guy says hes not interested in a long term relationship, he means it! Don't try and change his mind. It. Will. Not. Work.
2) If the guy can't remember how many girls he's slept with, that is also a good sign that maybe he's not the one for you.

Posted by: Allison on August 13, 2005 9:55 AM

Don't date anyone who is not over their ex.

Symptoms that they still need time to grieve:

1) They still live with their ex.
2) Their ex just moved out and they say it was over for a long time but they haven't changed the sheets.
3) They talk about their ex's ab0rtion and they are not drunk.
4) They needed their ex's paycheck to survive and rather than get a job, they date people with paychecks.
5) They needed their ex's car and rather than get their own, they date people with cars.

You catch my drift and yes, I made all those errors in judgment. I am happily married to number one so sometimes it accidentally works out but I don't recommend it, due to the cliche based in truth that they always leave the same way (mine didn't BUT I GOT LUCKY).

Posted by: Sue on August 13, 2005 10:15 AM

Even if you use alcohol in a legitimate and classy way:
It's a fine line between 'to loosen up' and 'not to be able to straighten up, even if your life depended on it'.

Posted by: Thomas on August 13, 2005 11:51 AM

"If after the first date, you say to yourself, "Gee, he's kinda geeky," be honest with yourself on your own geek quotient."

Ha ha ha ha! I married a geeky guy after coming to terms with my own geekiness and he's such a hottie now. (Well, maybe just to me.)

Oh, and he was also living with his parents. We just used all the money he saved doing that for a down payment on a house.
_____________________

Mine:

1. If a guy you are dating signs his notes to you 'cheers' then you should immediately forget about anything long term.

2. If a guy tells you that he doesn't love you totally out of the blue (and not in an attempt to break up) then he might actually love you but you should totally dump him then and there.

3. Never date a man who is tidier than you are. Never date a man who is nervous about his car's interior.

Posted by: miel on August 13, 2005 12:11 PM

> If a guy you are dating signs his notes to you 'cheers' then you should immediately forget about anything long term.

OMG, within the hour I have signed "cheers" to a gal responding to an online profile. What's so wrong with "cheers"? What's so wrong with "cheers" guys?

Posted by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005 1:28 PM

if you are in what is supposed to be (or what you hope to be) an affectionate relationship - "hugs" is better than "cheers" - cheers is for buddies, not lovers.

;p

Posted by: amanda on August 13, 2005 2:24 PM

for the straight chickies : run, screaming, from any male who calmly states that "rape is a useful weapon in wartime," especially if it's on a first date. things can only get worse from there.

yeah, i knew how to pick 'em before i met my husband.

Posted by: carmie on August 13, 2005 2:51 PM

I never hug on a first e-mail.

Posted by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005 2:53 PM

If for some reason you start talking with a guy about how many sexual partners you've each had (a terrible idea in and of itself), and his answer involves fractions, that is a bad sign.

If you're dating a guy who says he wants to spend the night but that you shouldn't fool around "yet", and you believe him and actually go to sleep, you will never hear from that guy again.

Don't get involved with a guy who is still living with his parents...

Especially if he has a really expensive or tricked-out car.

Posted by: spygeek on August 13, 2005 3:12 PM

"for the straight chickies : run, screaming, from any male who calmly states that "rape is a useful weapon in wartime," especially if it's on a first date. things can only get worse from there."

Oh my god... no! Someone actually said that?!? Holy shit.

Posted by: theinsider on August 13, 2005 3:33 PM

"Cheers": OK way to sign note if you're British, not if you're American.

"Take care": "I'm trying to be polite, but I really don't."

Posted by: genifra on August 13, 2005 3:58 PM

"1) They still live with their ex."

Yeah, I broke that rule and guess what: It turned out his ex wasn't even really his ex yet! The divorce didn't become final until about six months after we broke up.

Personally, I think it's a good idea to see if you get similar scores on the Reed College Depravity Quiz before getting serious about each other.


Posted by: Carny Asada on August 13, 2005 4:09 PM

Closing with "Hugs" is worse. A guy who wants to hug is worse.

Posted by: Suzyn on August 13, 2005 5:21 PM

"What's so wrong with "cheers" guys?"

First off, guys who spend every single night in a bar, rather than go home?
Sam Malone was a hottie, but none too lucky with love. And don't get me started on the others...Frasier? Norm? CLIFF?!

That's a bad bunch, in terms of dateability.
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Here's my rule:
Never ever ever date with or even hook up with a guy who will turn down a blow job to play NES. Especially if they try to get you to "compromise" and do both at the same time.

Posted by: SassyCat on August 13, 2005 5:24 PM

Never date a man who asks for the receipt from a present you gave him.

Posted by: LizRM on August 13, 2005 5:46 PM

Never date a guy who spends more time getting ready than you. Never. And i can't stress that enough.

Run Away (fast!) from a guy who's talking about marriage and kids on the 3rd date.

Posted by: L on August 13, 2005 6:28 PM

Never date a guy whose nickname is "Snake."

Posted by: liz on August 13, 2005 8:02 PM

What do you mean "Never date a guy whose nickname is 'Snake.'", Liz...what if it is Snake Pliskin?

Posted by: T-Rex on August 13, 2005 9:25 PM

1) Never date an actress.
2) Never date somebody with less than one room's worth of furniture (unless you're both in college or he/she is living at home (subject to the other rules on home-livers above)).
3) I've discussed this several times with some friends and we agree that Hugh Heffner's age rule is correct: a man cannot date a woman less than half his age plus seven years.

Posted by: Dave on August 13, 2005 10:56 PM

So, that's why Hugh has three girlfriends!

Never date someone for love who wants to do you on the first date but -- out of so-called principle -- waits and then jumps you halfway into your second date.

Posted by: hyde on August 13, 2005 11:16 PM

Honestly, everyone's better off if nobody dates anyone.

Posted by: dave zacuto on August 13, 2005 11:44 PM

"3. Never date a man who is tidier than you are. Never date a man who is nervous about his car's interior."

Some women are pretty damn messy, especially here in college. I'm not sure if I'd give them a chance to date me, but if they applied this rule, nobody would!

Posted by: Timen Swijtink on August 13, 2005 11:50 PM

Never date a man who says he would fall in love with you, if only you'd lose that 25 pounds. Just run! Run, I say! NO DON'T LOOK BACK JUST RUN!

Posted by: Vivi on August 14, 2005 4:56 AM

I would say never date the best friend of your ex, but I can't b/c I married the best friend...

I can say, never, ever under any circumstances date anybody because he looks like Jim Morrison. Bad on many levels...

Posted by: Jen on August 14, 2005 6:10 AM

If you are hugging a girl and if after an appropriate amount of time you let go but she does not, so you hug again & then release & then this repeats again.......one of you is seriously disturbed & you should run

Posted by: Tim on August 14, 2005 6:26 AM

When dating a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time lifting weights (red flag #1), if he flips into baby talk when you become intimate (flaming crimson flag), run, don't walk, to the nearest exit and flee for your sanity.

Posted by: Toni on August 14, 2005 7:47 AM

"Oh, and he was also living with his parents. We just used all the money he saved doing that for a down payment on a house."

My ex was living with his parents because he had over $30K of credit card debt that he'd forgotten to tell me about until after we'd been married for 9 months and our checking account mysteriously vaporized one day. Hence my second rule about exchanging credit reports.

That aside, my experience with guys over 30 living at home is that they are waiting to find another caretaker before they cut the home ties. I like a guy with a bit more independence.

Posted by: C. on August 14, 2005 9:01 AM

Never go to her place when her husband "won't be home for at least an hour".

Posted by: Steve on August 14, 2005 9:10 AM

Never date the child of a psycholgist. They are damaged goods. Never met one yet that hadn't had every problem of every patient projected onto them and every bad parenting theory tried on them.

Posted by: Brice on August 14, 2005 9:53 AM

Never date anybody you meet in rehab.

Posted by: gladys on August 14, 2005 9:56 AM

Steve:
'Never go to her place when her husband "won't be home for at least an hour".'

Now there's a story worth telling!

Posted by: stephen on August 14, 2005 11:46 AM

Maybe this won't hold longterm, but for then next six months, it should be a valid test. My girlfriend and I started using it on most guys we met. If they say no to these three questions:
Do you like The OC?
Do you like Metallica?
Do you like Napoleon Dynamite?
Chances are they can at least carry on a conversation.

Posted by: Anonymous on August 14, 2005 12:49 PM

"I feel so bad that you'd think of me that way..." is not as kind-hearted as it sounds. Run from this guy.

Posted by: fin on August 14, 2005 12:49 PM

If a guy asks you to a movie and then when you both arrive, proceeds to ask you to pay for him and buy him a large coke (because he's, "Like, really thirsty, you know?), he's probably a horrible, life-force sucking mooch. Run -- do not walk -- the other way.

Posted by: Annie on August 14, 2005 2:49 PM

"Run Away (fast!) from a guy who's talking about marriage and kids on the 3rd date."

Glad my wife didn't listen to you. I asked her to marry me 2 days after we started dating. (Then again, we were friends for a long time before that.)

//Going on to year 3 of a great marriage.

1) Ladies: If you dump a guy for cheating on you, get engaged to another guy, and your ex says "this may really put our future in jeopardy," you know you did the right thing by dumping him in the first place.

//happened to wife after she told him we were engaged.

2) If you've been dating a guy for more than two years and he still can't commit -- he's not the one.

Posted by: Gnorb on August 14, 2005 5:18 PM

Never ever ever date with or even hook up with a guy who will turn down a blow job to play NES. Especially if they try to get you to "compromise" and do both at the same time. -- SassyCat

Guys: Never hit on a woman who is less appealing than River City Ransom.

Posted by: Monthenor on August 14, 2005 6:04 PM

If he tells you after the first date that he loves you, even if he says it in another language, run! He thinks you're someone else.

Posted by: Anonymous on August 14, 2005 6:16 PM

if his favorite book is on the road, he probably drinks too much.

if his favorite book is catcher in the rye, he either still needs to grow up or has a problem with depression.

Posted by: kirsten on August 14, 2005 7:12 PM

Never date a woman who has more body hair than you do

Posted by: Pete on August 14, 2005 7:26 PM

If they recite poetry on the first date or equate any emotion/experience to a moment in history or psychological theory, hit them and then run.

Posted by: Antipodea on August 14, 2005 10:13 PM

Never date outside of your political party in an election year.

Posted by: Stefanie on August 14, 2005 11:27 PM

What are some situations where I can walk away?

Posted by: Max on August 15, 2005 1:09 AM

Never date anyone who's 'getting his band together.'

Posted by: joy on August 15, 2005 3:29 AM

Never date anyone who insist on making rabbit stew for dinner.

Posted by: vlad on August 15, 2005 3:46 AM

No second date when the first one consists of stopping by the pharmacy for her and coming out with a bag full of anti-depression scripts while she buys vodka next door.

Posted by: JohnTomato on August 15, 2005 6:30 AM

Never date a guy who quit college to 'get his band together' and complains about how all his ex girlfriends required that he actually spend time with them (heaven forbid!).
Also, if a guy complains that ALL his ex's were nymphos, they probably weren't and he's probably a closet gay.

Posted by: Phyllis on August 15, 2005 7:48 AM

Don't ever be the "other people" in "We're seeing other people." It's a losing proposition for all concerned and guaranteed to be spectacularly messy. Wait for someone who has their love life in better order.

Posted by: Erin on August 15, 2005 7:56 AM

Not really a dating tip, more of a "Is he/she the right one?" tip.

If you have to ask if he/she is the right one, then the answer is always no. When you don't have to ask then you know you found the right one.

Of course anyone who asks this is generally so caught up in the relationship that they won't take this advise anyway...but it's worth mentioning.

Posted by: Seanmodious on August 15, 2005 8:02 AM

Never go on a second date with a woman who refers to you as her boyfriend during the first date.

Posted by: Mike on August 15, 2005 10:56 AM

If a guy claims the reason other women either won't date/sleep with him or have broken up with him is because he's a "nice guy" and they're all only interested in assholes, run like the wind, my friend!

It means 1) he believes not being an ass is an accomplishment of heroic proportions deserving of special recognition and constitutes such a major sacrifice on his part that he need not put any other effort into the relationship (i.e. "isn't it enough I don't beat the shit out of you? Now you want me to pick up my ratty underwear, too?"); and

2) he's really an asshole who by lack of money, looks or personality can't get any action without falsely advertising himself as a "nice guy".

You don't want to be around when he shows his true colors. Everyone describes serial killers as the nicest of guys you'll ever meet, too. Truly nice guys don't feel the need to describe themselves that way. It just shows in everything they do.

Posted by: MustangSally on August 15, 2005 12:52 PM

Never date a guy with a cartoon character tattoo. If a guy has to tattoo himself with Superman's insignia, he's certainly no Superman.

Posted by: Kitcat16 on August 15, 2005 1:29 PM

I have to agree with Mustang Sally's rule of thumb, but not the reasons. I'll add my own:

3) Alternatively, he really is a nice guy, but he is so invested in being seen as nice (by himself and by others) that all of his decisions will be driven by the need to be perceived as "nice." Such as when 'nice guy' is dating a new girl and the ex invites him out to dinner, instead of saying "Nope, we're over, remember?" he'll say "Gee, I'd love to but have to get up early in the morning." Etc. Sometimes the right choice is the hard one, and sometimes people are going to get hurt, especially if you're choosing between two people. Nice guys can quickly become two-faced and spineless when confronted with this reality.

Posted by: Niki on August 15, 2005 2:15 PM

Never date a guy who introduces you to three people with the wrong name. After you correct him the first time.

Posted by: Cass on August 15, 2005 2:47 PM

1). never date a person who doesn't have friends of the same gender. if their own kind rejects them, so should you.
2). never date anyone who's recently dated a friend of yours. in other words, hunt outside of your circle.
3). no matter how beautiful he/she truly is, somebody somewhere is sick of their sh!t.

Posted by: the other tim on August 15, 2005 3:52 PM

Never date anyone who has invented their own system of numerology, especially if they use it to justify strange and hurtful behavior toward you.
...You would think that would be a no-brainer, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Anne on August 15, 2005 6:20 PM

1)The phrase "We have to talk..." has never brought any good news. If you have ever heard this in a relationship consider it over.

2)If three or more of her best stories start with "This one time I was soooo drunk..." you should run quickly to the nearest exit. Even if it's a window.

3)Do not date anyone who can't cook anything without the word "micro" on the cover of the box.

Eh... not so much wrote- If after the first date, you say to yourself, "Gee, he's kinda geeky," be honest with yourself on your own geek quotient.

4)If, in reference to her "electronic boyfriend," you mean the 16 video game systems she's collected, she has no grounds to complain about any comic book/anime/scifi/RPG memoribilia, and/or any conventions of said genres, you own/have attended.

Posted by: Mindar76 on August 15, 2005 6:57 PM

How about...

1) Never take advice solely from a bunch of (probably cool) strangers on the Internet;
2) Realize that your situation is unique and, with the exception of an abusive relationship, you probably should decide for yourself whether to stay or go;
3) Don't settle. Ever.

Posted by: Russell on August 15, 2005 7:36 PM

Yeah. good one Russel. Agree with you on No. 2.

Posted by: Adu on August 15, 2005 9:07 PM

If she says, "You're really sweet", cut your losses and walk away. It's not going anywhere. "Sweet" guys are not seen as finishing last - they never get into the game.

Posted by: DJ on August 15, 2005 11:51 PM

Russel said it well... as did everyone else and gave some great laughs! I think I've ben in a lot of these spots before.. yup, I can pick 'em alright! *rolls eyes*

DJ- not always. Eventually the "bad boys" get pretty damned boring. You can only play with so many before they lose their charms.

Posted by: Debra on August 16, 2005 12:04 AM

If a girl mentions three or more times how much she can't stand so-and-so, so-and-so will be the next person she dates. Probably before she stops dating you.
Oh, and here's one for the ladies: If a guy wears a vest with no shirt, he's a creep. Always.

Posted by: monk on August 16, 2005 5:13 AM

Never date anyone who asks you how many people you've slept with and expects a straight answer. (Apparently never say "I don't know" in answer to the question either.)

I'm reminded that American Wedding introduced us to the rule of threes in regard to this one.

Posted by: Josh Poulson on August 16, 2005 7:53 AM

Never date a man whose favourite writer is Paulo Coelho, especially if he can read it in the original language. Sorry.

Posted by: Lioness on August 16, 2005 8:52 AM

I'm reminded that American Wedding introduced us to the rule of threes in regard to this one.

Wasn't that Nelson Algren?

Mine:
Never date someone who wears sunglasses indoors or after dark.

Never continue to date someone who brings up the prospect of children on the first date. Particularly if they speculate about what they'd look like.

If she describes herself as a "princess" or "diva", or mentions "Daddy", it's not a good sign.

If she talks about people you don't know by their first names, with no explanation, it's not a good sign.

You can learn a lot about someone by watching how they treat the wait staff at a restaurant.

Posted by: Vidiot on August 16, 2005 9:19 AM

ooo - a little late but I HAVE to join in.

1. Never let a boy move in with you if he doesn't have a real job and has no idea how to be responsible with money.

2. If the thought of his ex wife still makes him sad (and for awhile brings him to tears) - run away!

3. If he spends the last $10 he has on a six pack, and hasn't paid rent or bills in over a month, and then OFFERS YOU A BEER TO MAKE IT BETTER... yeah - not good.

4. If he says he did coke "just that once", he's probably full of shit.

5. If he says they "just recently became 'better' friends" in reference to a girl he supposedly hooked up with after you, chances are they were together waaaaaaaay earlier than that.

6. Sleeping in another girl's bed should never be ok.

7. If 9 times outta 10 he's too drunk to talk when you call, it's a bad sign.

7.5 Furthermore, if you two go out, and you make it clear that this time he's the DD (because you're ALWAYS the DD) and the first thing he does is walk up to the bar and order a beer, dump his drunk ass.

8. If when you sleep in the same bed and you are actually HANGING OFF THE BED SLEEPING to be as far away from his lazy ass as possible without getting off the bed and causing drama, it's over girlie.

Posted by: angie on August 16, 2005 10:54 AM

Never, ever date a man who plays Everquest.

Never date a grown man who plays chase-and-tickle games with his 20-something female cousins and when you confront him about it, accuses you of 'tainting something totally innocent' with your filthy mind.

When a man tells you that he doesn't believe in monogamy, believe in that statement.

Posted by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005 4:44 PM

Never date anyone who thinks one of the 7 Dwarves was "Sleazy". (Sorry - I ran out of stuff, and I wanted to weigh in one more time.)

Posted by: DJ on August 16, 2005 8:06 PM

Never date a grown man who plays chase-and-tickle games with his 20-something female cousins and when you confront him about it, accuses you of 'tainting something totally innocent' with your filthy mind.

oh. my. god.

Posted by: Sophie on August 16, 2005 9:05 PM

If a girl asks pointedly: "What's my favourite flower", always reply "self raising."

Posted by: Doug on August 17, 2005 1:52 PM

Never date a guy who has just broken up with a girl who has the same name as you... It can lead to violence among other problems.

Posted by: Anonymous on August 17, 2005 10:42 PM

"Never date someone who wears sunglasses indoors or after dark."

Never date someone who, when you are looking in the mirror together has no reflection.

Never date someone who drools when you accidentally cut yourself.

Never date someone who never seems to make a date or answer the phone during the daytime.

Posted by: ozma on August 17, 2005 11:13 PM

Never date a grown man who plays chase-and-tickle games with his 20-something female cousins and when you confront him about it, accuses you of 'tainting something totally innocent' with your filthy mind.

oh. my. god.

Posted by Sophie at August 16, 2005 09:05 PM


Sophie, don't even get me started on the "wrestling."

Posted by: Anonymous on August 18, 2005 8:53 AM

aww. Does this mean I have to get rid of my stuffed animals in the back window of my car? but I like them!

Posted by: Anonymous on August 20, 2005 12:31 AM

2) If you ask a guy to tell you a story, and instead of protesting that he doesn't know any stories, actually tells you a story... you'll probably end up marrying him 3 years down the road.

Freaky. This happened to me. Right timing and everything.

My suggestion: Don't plan any further into the future than you've already come. So if you've been dating for two weeks, make plans for two weeks ahead, but no further. Don't start fantasizing about bringing him to your sister's wedding next year.

Posted by: Holly on August 21, 2005 9:25 AM

"Reed College Depravity Quiz"? What's that? (Google turns up this page and nothing else.)

Posted by: tangent on August 22, 2005 1:34 AM

Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa."
Favor.
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.


The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.


Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management –
3. Mafia (evil) aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere ("On planets where they approved evil.")

Then we come to terrestrial management:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - they answer to the egyptians
6. Mafia - the real-world interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

Survival of the favored.


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1986 James Bond View to a Kill – 1989 San Fransisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Journal: 10 composition books + 39 megs of text files

Posted by: The roots of racism on August 24, 2005 4:27 PM

so...the post above me really has nothing to do with dating truisms. or anything in particular.

Posted by: Sophie on August 26, 2005 8:03 PM

If a guy's computer is in his bedroom, it's full of porn. If it's in the living room, it's full of games(but probably has some porn as well).

Posted by: PJ on August 30, 2005 10:33 PM

never date a man who claims his ex is pyscho. she may be, but he will be too.

Posted by: babyjewels on September 10, 2005 11:27 AM